The Soldiers of Odin: Inside Canada’s Extremist Vigilante Group

Thinking that Sharia Law is a REAL threat to a well-established democratic culture (especially assuming that refugees from such oppressive states want to set it up here) is ignorant and shows a lack of education and an insular worldview.

Do you even know what the Sharia law is about?
I assume you don’t.

You’re a weak-ass white boy who is scared that the Other will treat you as badly as you treat those different than you.

That’s news to me, it used to be about music.

Edward Shaw Just so long as you don’t express hate. No one cares about right or left here, unless spreading hate and judgment of individuals based on their race/religion is a right wing attribute? Anyway, protecting minorities and the bullied has always been a part of metal from my perspective.

Well, no one has said anything against right wingers expressing themselves other than when they express hate. And it seems like most of the people who are trying to make this about more broad politics are people arguing that crypto-racists are being targeted because they’re right wing (despite SOO saying nothing about broader politics whatsoever in this video). The critique of view points is always fair, and that’s the discussion we’re having here (who is silencing you here? We’re engaging with you). But it seems that right wingers get angry about racism being criticised. It’s a basic “People have the right to express racism, but not to criticise racism” conversation. So, who is it that’s attacking free speech?

I’ve never argued for any of those things. That’s a pretty big assumption to make of someone based on such a small statement. Never ceases to amaze me how ready the Left are to project their own insecurities into others

Alright alright Eddie, so I’ll withdraw my playful assumption that YOU in particular were a fragile white supremacist – presumption of innocence and all that. But given the topic of the article and how you implied that there was some horrible and no-good-at-all SILENCING at work, you have to admit, it’s tempting to draw conclusions. Also you didn’t point out any ideological flaws or hypocrisy! Come on buddy! Walk the walk!

The Left’s ideological flaws are self-evident. And if the government in the US is as you say “hyper right-wing”, then by that logic so is over half of the population. Are you actually saying that over 160 million people are “hyper right-wing”? Again, there is a hypocrisy in your ‘bogeyman’ argument. But in your case, the bogeyman is the overwhelming majority. Marxism has time and time again proven itself to be an inherently flawed and corrupted ideology, and shall continue to do so. The only difference now is that the majority are no longer afraid to point and laugh at the naked cultural spectre. As I said, it amuses me that all the Left has left (no pun intended) in their dwindling arsenal is temper tantrums, contradictions and blatant lies.

The majority of people voted for Donald Trump. That’s why he won. That’s how elections work. That’s a fact. Fallacies and inaccuracies? Only if you’re incapable of acknowledging reality (a common trait amongst Leftists).

1. 42% of the US voting population did not vote.
2. Trump got 45.9% of the popular vote; Clinton got 48%.

I’m sorry to put your nose in it like that. Those are widely referenced, easily available figures. Trump was elected by 45.9% of 56% of the population, and that’s not a majority. If you want to “acknowledge reality,” here’s a perfect opportunity.

http://footlights.click/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/2016-US-Prez-Voter-Distribution-Pie-Chart.jpg

Oh and also, majority and minority don’t define a government’s political alignment! Trump could have been elected by a 99.9% majority and an endorsement by Jesus himself, that wouldn’t make him any more of a moderate! So I’m not sure why you were telling me that in the first place.

Love how you’ve gone from implying anyone who disagrees with you is throwing a temper tantrum, to throwing a relentless keyboard-bashing temper tantrum.

If he hadn’t gotten the majority vote, he wouldn’t have been elected.

So are you saying he did or did not win the election?

lolwut, metal has been a place for progressive political views and embracing outsider culture for decades. Right wing is(was?) the exception. Same with punk. Metal lyrics are rife with ecological, anti-capitalist and generally left wing themes. That’s without listing off people like Rob Halford, Gaahl or Mina Capuno

Maybe shitty post 2010 metal bands have lyrics that are marxist or whatever, for almost all of it’s existence as a genre metal has been about defying political correctness, being controversial, celebrating strength over weakness, generally flirting with fascist iconography. The politically left infiltration has been only a thing for less than a decade. Punk has been more outwardly communist for a lot longer but the further back you go the less politically correct it was.

Well I gotta say it’s pretty damn hard to be politically incorrect if you agree 99% with the politics of media, television, film, culture, etc

Chris Jones is the kind of Rhodes Scholar that thinks black metal begins and ends with Mayhem and that extreme music was W.A.S.P talking about fucking chicks instead of bands that were questioning the government, opposing religion and breaking down the walls of fascism.

Metal has NEVER been marxist/leftist until only a few years ago. You are projecting your own opinions onto the past, for the vast majority of it’s history no one shared these beliefs that you do. Anyone that’s old school can tell you that. A lot of the old bands are actually speaking out against the trend in political correctness.

Genuinely curious, I’d like to hear more about your thoughts on Society of the Spectacle since you seem to have read it in s very different way to me. Drop me a direct message.

@Kieran Pringle what debord could not (or perhaps chose not) to predict when he wrote society of the spectacle in the 60s was the marriage between a leftism which is purely cultural and an economic industrial complex which is “capitalist”, but I prefer to simply call it consumerist or materialistic. Zizek makes similar criticisms of “the new left” and the rise of political correctness. Ironically for Debord, the spectacle has fully embraced this sort of post-marxist theory. Liberalism is the logic of consumption.

@Chris Jones I’ve always interpreted the current state of “acceptance” in media to be nothing more than an attempt to placate those potentially most likely to lead or instigate a revolt (though not intentionally, more in the middle class liberal fear of the boat ever being rocked). I have seen it as the other side of the same coin that spawned the alt-right. Fear and rejection of rising self-awareness and cohesion among “outside” groups. Honestly, I fear the liberal media placating more, as it’s more innocuous and meets less resistance since it creates an illusion of equality while denying it in reality. Even more so when equal media representation has been made a goal to be fought for and is chased more than equal standing in society.

My two cents, though so find your view interesting and will keep it in mind when I do a reread.

How the hell is nihilism centrist. And metalheads are literally obsessed with community. What planet do you live on?