For those of us who can’t stand how overrun black metal is with white supremacists, RABM (Red/Anarchist Black Metal) is a godsend. However, many RABM projects tend to lean towards poetic or straightforwardly intellectual approaches to their lyrics and overall aesthetic, often foregoing humor which is sometimes necessary to blow off steam when focusing on white sumpremacist shitasses. That’s where NECKBEARD DEATHCAMP comes in. They seemingly popped up out of nowhere and instantly became a sensation in the leftist underground. Not only do they have a fantastically tongue in cheek approach and aesthetic, they totally shred. After listening to them just once, I knew I had to get in contact (even if it took me a few weeks) and talk to the people behind this unashamedly pure leftist war machine.
I’m sure this is a question y’all have been asked plenty, but what was the impetus for this project? And with that, what are your biggest influences?
HATESTURM: I HAVE BEEN AN ANTIFASCIST ACTIVIST AWHILE NOW. AND WITH THE SHADOW CAST ON OUR LIVES BY SOCIAL MEDIA, EXTREME DISCONTENT WITH THE TIMES IS AN EASY THING TO ARRIVE AT. SOCIAL MEDIA FEELS HONESTLY LIKE A TORTURE DEVICE AS OF LATE. YOU KNOW? STARE INTO THE SOFT GLOW OF THE NIGHTMARE RECTANGLE AND WATCH SOCIETY COLLAPSE IN REAL TIME.
AND THEN ON TOP OF JUST TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH YOUR FRIENDS IF YOU’D LIKE TO GAIN ANY SORT OF GROUND AS AN ARTIST, YOU HAVE TO JUST LINE UP TASTING FLIGHTS OF FUCKFACES AND THIER SHITTY WORLD VIEWS TRYING TO NETWORK YOUR PROJECT. MORE THAN JUST THOSE OF YOUR SHITTY RACIST UNCLE YOU CAN BLOW OFF. PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO ENGAGE.
BUT YOU HAVE TO DO IT THOUGH. YOU HAVE TO ENGAGE. AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE RETALIATORY ART ABOUT THE BULLSHIT AND THE LOSERS AND THE TIMES. BECAUSE YOU CAN’T JUST SIT ON THIS SHIT. SAYING NOTHING AND MAINTAINING TACT WILL POISON YOUR FUCKING BLOOD. SUPERKOMMANDO AND I REALLY BEGAN TO TALK BY BONDING OVER JUST HOW OFTEN SHITTY FUCKING LOSERS WOULD ADD US ON FACEBOOK THINKING WE WERE PART OF THEIR LITTLE DUMPSTER FIRE NAZI MUSIC SCENE. AND NOW THE THREE OF US TALK CONSTANTLY IN THE GROUP CHAT ABOUT HOW BIZARRE IT IS THAT POLITICS THIS FAR RIGHT HAVE EVEN ENTERED THE DISCUSSION. LET ALONE BECOME A BASE FOR THE CURRENT REGIME. THIS SHIT NEEDS TO BE ERADICATED. DESTROYED. NOT RESISTED. NOT “CALLED OUT”. OBLITERATED. FUCK THEM.
FUCK DONALD TRUMP. FUCK HIS BASE. FUCK THESE ALT RIGHT CLOWNS. WE’RE GLAD THE COLOSSUS THAT IS THE FAR LEFT IS WAKING FROM ITS SLEEP. AND THAT WE GET TO BE A PART OF IT.
WE ROUTINELY SHARE PICTURES IN THE CHAT OF HEINOUS DORKS WHO EMBOLDENED BY THE TIMES TO COME AT US DESPITE BEING LIKE CARTOON PORTRAITS OF EXACTLY WHO WE’RE MAKING FUN OF. IT’S A LITTLE AWE INSPIRING HOW THE RISE IN THE KOMMENTS THREAD HAS BEEN JUST LIKE A BYPASS SURGERY FOR ASSIMILATING TO BASIC EMPATHY IN POLITICS, OR ASSIMILATING INTO “NORMAL” SOCIAL BEHAVIOR AT ALL. THESE PEOPLE WHO IN THE REAL LIFE VERSIONS OF THE DISCUSSIONS THEY SO DILIGENTLY DERAIL WOULD JUST BE FLATLY TALKED OVER BY THE OTHER ADULTS SPEAKING IN THE ROOM.
I THINK IT IS INCREDIBLE HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE COMPLETELY DEDICATED THEMSELVES TO BEING AN UNCOMFORTABLE AND DISTANT SOCIAL MEDIA ACQUAINTANCE TO THE REMAINING PEOPLE THEY KNOW. AND HOW OFTEN THE EXTREME METAL COMMUNITY JUST FEELS LIKE A WHOLE ROOM FULL OF THAT WITH A REALLY STRICT DRESS CODE AND SHITTY STORE BRAND MEMES.
THE ENTIRE PROJECT BEGAN AFTER SOME GUY WHO LITERALLY RUNS A NAZI BLACK METAL LABEL OUT OF HIS MOMS BASEMENT CALLED ME A FAG LIKE THAT WOULD GIVE HIM AN UPPER HAND IN THE ARGUMENT. I TOOK TO FACEBOOK ABOUT IT AS A JOKE, BUT SUPERKOMMANDO AND HAILZ JUMPED ON IT. THEY PUT LIFE INTO IT IN A WAY I NEVER COULD HAVE. AND NOW THAT IT’S HERE AND BREATHING, IT ISN’T GOING DOWN.
WE’RE HAPPY THAT YOU NAZI FUCKS HAVE FOUND CAMERADERIE IN RALLYING AGAINST US. YOU CAN ALL BE BURIED IN THE SAME UNMARKED MASS GRAVE TOGETHER. BEFORE THE SOIL IS PUMPED FULL OF PISS UNTIL MARSHLIKE.
SUPERKOMMANDO: KRIEGMASTER PRETTY MUCH GAVE THE FULL DETAILS ON THE REASONS FOR STARTING THIS PROJECT AND EXPLAINED IT MUCH BETTER THAN I COULD. MY MAIN MOTIVATION FOR BECOMING INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT WAS FOR MORE OR LESS THE SAME REASONS. I WAS TIRED OF BEING TOLD THAT I SHOULD LIKE NSBM TO GET BROWNIE POINTS IN THE SCENE. I WAS TIRED OF BEING TOLD TO GIVE AN ARTISTIC PASS TO PEOPLE WHO THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO EXTERMINATE MY NON-WHITE, STRAIGHT, MALE FRIENDS AND FAMILY. I WAS TIRED OF UNEMPATHETIC DORKS TELLING ME THAT MY ANGER AT THE CURRENT POLITICAL CLIMATE IS “CRINGE” AND THAT “NO LIVES MATTER”.
AS FAR AS INFLUENCES GO:
HATESTURM: THOUGH MY FAVORITE MUSICIAN IS KE$HA, SHE’S JUST ABOUT THE ONLY LIKE “NOT EXPLICITLY POLITICAL CONTENT” ARTIST I LISTEN TO. THOUGH OBVIOUSLY A POLITICAL PERSON IN LIGHT OF RECENT TIMES. I LISTEN TO A LOT OF LEFTOVER CRACK, XABRUPTX, XIBALBA, MISCHIEF BREW, NO CA$H, BIKINI KILL, BATHTUB SHITTER, DEATH TOLL 80K, HO99O9, AND APPALACHIAN TERROR UNIT.
SUPERKOMMANDO: I DRAW INFLUENCE FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. RIGHT NOW MY FAVORITE METAL BANDS INCLUDE BLASPHEMY, CONQUEROR, INCANTATION, SPECTRAL VOICE, DEVOURMENT, EVOKEN, PRIMITIVE MAN, METH DRINKER, CARCASS, MORTICIAN, COFFINS, BRODEQUIN, CAVEMAN CULT, TEITANBLOOD, DIOCLETIAN, ENCOFFINATION AND MANY OTHERS. OUTSIDE OF METAL I LOVE ENYA, DIDO, AND THE SOUNDSCAPES OF JEREMY SOULE. I’M ALSO REALLY INSPIRED BY THE ART OF OTTO DIX AND FRANCISCO GOYA.
HAILZ: MY BIGGEST INFLUENCES ARE SPECTRAL VOICE, WOODS OF YPRES, PRIMITIVE MAN, DISEMBOWELMENT, WOE, GHOST BATH, ARCHGOAT, MORTICIAN, KAPALA, YELLOW EYES, KRALLICE, SPECTRAL VOICE, BLOOD INCANTATION, REVENGE, BLASPHEMY, SPECTRAL VOICE
You came out swinging at exactly at the right time. Is this something you were sitting on for a bit, or did it happen all at once?
HATESTURM: IT HAPPENED ALL AT ONCE. THE ALBUM WAS LITERALLY MADE IN THE TIME SPAN OF ABOUT TWO WEEKS WITH A SHORT BREAK IN THE MIDDLE. I REALLY SORT OF CAN’T STATE OVERTLY ENOUGH JUST LIKE HOW QUICKLY AND SPECTACULARLY IT IS THAT SUPERKOMMANDO AND HAILZ WORK. I FEEL OFTEN LIKE THE SLOWEST MOVING PART OF OUR ENGINE, AS WE’LL LAUGH ABOUT DOING X Y OR Z AND THEN SUPERKOMMANDO WILL SEND ME ALL THE STEMS LIKE THE NEXT DAY. AND THEN IT TAKES ME A WEEK TO PUT VOCALS AND SAMPLES ON IT.
SUPERKOMMANDO: IT ALL CAME TOGETHER VERY QUICKLY AS MOST THINGS DO THAT I AM INVOLVED IN. THE WAY I WORK IS BASICALLY I’LL HAVE THESE HUGE SURGES OF CREATIVE ENERGY AND WRITE AND RECORD AN ENTIRE ALBUM IN A WEEK AND THEN GO DORMANT FOR A MONTH. IT IS REALLY WEIRD. I KNOW THAT KRIEGMASTER HAS BEEN DEALING WITH NS NERDS FOR A WHILE BUT WHEN HE MENTIONED DOING A PROJECT MAKING FUN OF THEM, I JUMPED AT THE CHANCE. I NEVER HAD ANY EXPECTATION THAT IT WOULD BLOW UP AS MUCH AS IT DID.
HAILZ: IT HAPPENED ALL AT ONCE, AS DO MOST OF MY RELEASES.
White Nationalism Is For Basement Dwelling Losers was picked up by Prosthetic Records for a 12” release within just 3 weeks of it being up on bandcamp. When you initially put it up as a pay-what-you-want digital release on bandcamp, did you expect that so much would happen in such a short amount of time? I would imagine you weren’t all that concerned about any of that.
SUPERKOMMANDO: DEFINITELY DIDN’T EXPECT ANY OF THIS TO HAPPEN. I REMEMBER THE MOMENT WHEN EVERYTHING STARTED BLOWING UP THINKING, “WOW MY LIFE WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN”. IT HAS BEEN A WILD RIDE FOR SURE.
Unlike more traditional RABM, your lyrics and overall aesthetic pull from popular internet culture, using the corny language and imagery to demonstrate just how embarrassing these people are. What made you decide on this approach?
HATESTRUM: THIS IS POSTMODERNISM MY GUY. FUCK THE RULES. “TRADITIONAL VALUES” IN BLACK METAL CAN SUCK MY ASS. WE’RE HERE TO MAKE PROTEST ART IN THE CURRENT YEAR. IF PEOPLE DON’T LIKE IT. TOUGH. WE’RE NOT HERE TO HOLD ANYBODIES HAND.
SUPERKOMMANDO: THE BEST WAY TO DEAL WITH THESE PEOPLE IS BY USING THEIR OWN TACTICS AGAINST THEM.
What sort of reactions have y’all gotten from the release of White Nationalism Is For Basement Dwelling Losers? The far right of the internet are well known for their ruthless nature, dedication to being total pieces of shit, and having a lot of time on their hands to devise and carry out their elaborate plans.
HATESTURM: PEOPLE EITHER LOVE IT OR THEY HATE IT AND THERE IS NO IN BETWEEN. I AM OFTEN SURPRISED BY ARTISTS I FIGURED WOULD TELL ME THEY HATED IT. AND JUST AS OFTEN SURPRISED BY LEFTBOOK SPACES I THOUGHT WOULD HAVE OUR BACK WHO SPEND THEIR TIME PICKING AT THE LITTLE THING FOR HOLES.
THE FAR RIGHT IS ONLY REALLY GOOD AT FIGHTING ON THEIR OWN TURF. WHEN YOU EXIST LIKE I DO. WITH NO SECRETS, EMBARRASSING PHOTOS TO DIG UP, OR SHITTY RACIST WORDPRESS ACCOUNT FROM 2012 THEY CAN’T REALLY DO ANYTHING TO YOU.
I HATE TO BE THIS GUY BUT LIKE. THIS AIN’T WEENIE HUT JR.
THEY CAN BEAT YOU UP IF THEY GANG UP, BUT AFTER WATCHING CHRIS CANTWELL CRY LIKE A NEWBORN AFTER HE REALIZED THAT WHITE PRIVILEGE WASHES OFF PRETTY QUICK FOLLOWING A FELONY CHARGE. THE SORT OF EMOTIONAL CODDLING THAT WALKS HAND IN HAND WITH FAR RIGHT IDEOLOGIES HAS RECOILED FROM DOING MUCH MORE THAN POSTURING. THE FIRST TO SAY THE WORDS ARE ALWAYS THE LAST TO MAKE THE MOVES.
THESE PEOPLE ARE FUCKING POSERS. THEY’RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE POSERS. AND I’LL BE GLAD WHEN THIS STUPID SHITTY MEME PRESIDENT IS IN JAIL AND I CAN GO BACK TO PROTESTING THINGS I ACTUALLY GIVE A FUCK ABOUT INSTEAD OF A BUNCH OF DORKS WHO THINK FASCISM IS A GOOD IDEA.
HAILZ: ALL KINDS OF REACTIONS, BUT ONE OF THE BEST PARTS ABOUT ALL OF THIS IS WATCHING THE RIGHT MEME THEMSELVES INTO OBLIVION.
You mentioned that leftists have picked your work apart, and I remember seeing in a post on facebook that some even went so far as to say that you’ve “betrayed” leftist movements because of trivial details. It seems to me that they’ve missed the point. How have you responded to that kind of needless, persnickety critique?
SUPERKOMMANDO: THIS IS ACTUALLY A TOPIC WE DISCUSS AMONGST OURSELVES OFTEN. I ASSUME YOU’VE PROBABLY SEEN THE “THIS EXISTS” VIDEO WHERE THE GUY BRINGS UP HOW OUR T-SHIRTS ARE PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE IT DISPLAYS A BLACK MAN’S FACE (QUOTING SOME TWITTER POST THAT WAS ALONG THE SAME LINES). OTHERS COMPLAIN THAT OUR MERCH LOOKS TOO “NAZI-ISH”. THERE ARE ALSO PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT COMPLAIN THAT WE AREN’T ADDRESSING “REAL” ISSUES AND THAT WE ARE MAKING MATTERS WORSE. WE’VE HEARD IT ALL. THIS TYPE OF TOXIC DIVISIVENESS MAKES IT SO EASY FOR THE RIGHT TO PICK US APART AND THESE PEOPLE STILL DON’T UNDERSTAND THAT. WE EITHER UNITE OR WE LOSE, THAT’S HOW THIS SHIT WORKS. NO ONE PERSON OR MOVEMENT WILL EVER BE PERFECT. CRITICISM IS ALWAYS WELCOME IN MY BOOK BUT DEVALUING OUR ENTIRE PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE WE DON’T FALL IN LINE WITH EVERY NIT PICKY WISH OF TEENAGERS ON TUMBLR IS ABSURD. FRANKLY THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT WORTH MY TIME. THINK… WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE WITHOUT US? BEFORE WE EXISTED NO ONE WAS DIRECTLY CALLING OUT THIS RAMPANT COMPLACENCY FOR RACISM AND FASCISM IN EXTREME METAL AND USING THE RIGHT’S TACTICS AGAINST THEM. IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANYTHING WE DO, PLEASE BY ALL MEANS MAKE YOUR VOICE KNOWN AND TALK TO US ABOUT IT. BUT WE WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE ARE ON YOUR SIDE AND WE WANT TO FIGHT TO ENSURE THAT YOUR HUMANITY IS VALUED IN SOCIETY AND WE HAVE NEVER HAD ANY INTENTION TO HARM OUR ALLIES.
HATESTURM: I’D LIKE TO AVOID LIKE. “PUNCHING LEFT” ON THIS. AS I’M OPEN TO CRITICISM WITHIN THE ART. BUT LIKE. I’M INTERESTED IN ACTUAL CRITICISM THAT WILL HELP SHAPE THE ART IN THE FUTURE. TO MAKE THE BLADE MORE EFFECTIVE AGAINST OUR ENEMIES. REDUCING HARM TO OUR ALLIES ALONG THE WAY IS IMPORTANT TO ME. BUT THAT DOES EVENTUALLY ARRIVE AT A POINT WHERE YOU ARE WASTING TIME. I PREFER TO JUST NOT ENGAGE THAT.
THERE IS AN IMPORTANT AND IMPENETRABLE COMPONENT TO THE LEFT THAT IS SIMPLY UNPLEASABLE. AND THAT’S IMPORTANT. IT PREVENTS STAGNATION. DISCOURSE FOR THE SAKE OF DISCOURSE. DISCONTENT FOR THE SAKE OF DISCONTENT.
BUT OUR ENEMIES WASTE LITTLE TIME.
What’s next for Neckbeard Deathcamp? You’ve got that 12” on the way and are playing MDF next year, but are there any other things you have planned for the relatively near future that you can tell us about?
SUPERKOMMANDO: SEVERAL MORE LP’S, ALWAYS MORE PUNISHING THAN THE LAST. SEVERAL SPLIT RELEASES HAVE ALREADY BEEN LINED UP. WE HAVE BEEN CHATTING AROUND ABOUT SETTING UP A TOUR LEADING UP TO MDF. THAT IS REALLY ALL FOR NOW THAT I CAN DISCLOSE.
HATESTURM: ALL THAT SUPERKOMMANDO MENTIONED. PLUS A LITTLE PHILANTHROPY. SOME FAR LEFT PHILANTHROPY.